Bro Talks: Ottoline Varga Draws Every Line and Lets the Machine Make the Rain
The illustrator and composer draws every album page by hand and builds her ambient tracks with a little help from generative tools. A talk about taste, credit and why 'unfinished' is a feature.
By Theo Brooks
Staff Writer, Startups
Ottoline Varga makes what she calls "picture albums": eight-track records of slow, warm ambient music, each released with a set of ink-and-gouache illustrations, one per song, printed as a fold-out booklet. Her third, Lantern Weather, came out on a small independent label this spring. Its booklet has a page most albums don't: a plain list of every tool she used, generative or otherwise, and what each one did.
She draws everything by hand, and she uses generative tools, carefully, in the music. We spoke over a video call from her studio, a converted greenhouse with a piano in one corner and drying paintings clipped to a washing line.
This interview has been edited for length and clarity.
On drawing by hand
You use generative tools for music but not for illustration. Why the split?
Because I know which part of me lives where. My drawing hand is the oldest thing I own. I've been drawing foxes and lighthouses since I was six, and the wobble in my line is the point. When I've tried image generators, the results were often beautiful and never mine. They had no wobble, or worse, they had a fake wobble.
Music is different for me. I came to it late, in my twenties, and I'm self-taught, so I don't feel the same ownership over every sound. I'm comfortable letting a tool hand me raw material, the way a field recording hands you raw material.
What does that raw material look like in practice?
Mostly textures. I'll ask a generative audio tool for something like "rain on a tin roof, slowed down until it sounds like breathing," and I'll get twenty versions. Nineteen are useless. One has a strange little flutter in it, so I'll take three seconds of that flutter, loop it, pitch it down and build a song around it. By the end you couldn't point to the generated part. It's like a pinch of spice in a stew.
On the list in the booklet
Let's talk about that list. Why publish it?
Because people asked, and because I hated feeling cagey. After my second album, someone online accused me of generating the illustrations. I hadn't, and I had the sketchbooks to prove it. But the accusation stung, and I realised the real problem was that I'd never told anyone what I did use.
So now there's a page. Piano, recorded at home. Field recordings I made on walks. Two synthesizers. One generative audio tool, used for source textures on tracks two, five and seven. A stem-separation tool, used to isolate a voice from an old cassette of my grandmother singing. Illustrations in ink and gouache, drawn with a dip pen I've had for eleven years.
Disclosure isn't a confession. It's liner notes. People have always wanted to know how a record was made.
Do you worry about where those generated textures come from?
I do, and I think anyone using these tools should. A generated sound came from somewhere, even if nobody can point to the exact recording. So I picked a tool whose makers publish where their training audio came from, and I read that page twice before I paid for it. That isn't perfect knowledge, but it's better than none.
I also keep the generated part small on purpose. If I can't say exactly what the machine contributed to a track, I've let it do too much.
How did listeners react?
Mostly with curiosity. I got a lot of messages asking which part of track five is the machine, and I love that, because it means they're listening more closely. A few people said they wouldn't buy it. That's their right. I'd rather lose a sale honestly than keep one with a fudge.
On taste and "unfinished"
You've said that "unfinished" is a feature. What do you mean?
Generative tools are very good at finished. Everything comes out glossy, balanced and complete, and finished is a bit dead. My favourite drawings have a corner I never got to. My favourite songs have a moment where the piano is slightly out of time because I was crying, or laughing, or the cat walked across the keys.
When everything else in the world gets smoother, the rough edges become the signature. I'm not against polish. I just think polish is cheap now, and roughness has become expensive in the best way.
How do you protect that roughness when tools want to tidy it?
With rules. I never let a tool touch a melody; melodies come from my hands on the piano. I never use more than three generated textures on an album. And I always finish a track on a different day from the one I started it, because second-day ears are the honest ones.
On money and making a living
Has the generative era changed your income?
It's complicated. Commissions for book covers and editorial illustration have become more competitive. Some clients now come to me with a generated mock-up and ask me to "make it real," which can be a good brief or a terrible one. But my own records sell better than ever, and I think part of the reason is that people want to buy things where they can feel a person.
The booklets help. They're physical, hand-drawn and slightly imperfect, and nobody is going to mistake them for anything else.
What advice would you give an illustrator who's scared right now?
Draw in public. Show the sketchbook, the mess, the eleventh failed fox. Process is the one thing that can't be convincingly faked at scale, and audiences are hungry for it. And learn the tools anyway, even if you decide not to use them. You can't push back against something you don't understand.
On what she'd build
If you could design one creative tool, what would it be?
A tool that argues with me. Not one that does what I ask, but one that says, "You've used that chord progression on four songs this year," or "This blue is the same blue as your last cover." A critic with a perfect memory of my own work. That would make me better instead of faster.
Last one. What are you working on now?
A record about the sea, drawn entirely in one colour. I've done sixty-three drawings so far and I like seven of them. That ratio feels right.
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